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c/coa·posted 1 year ago by u/low_appetite_lisa

how much of what we believe about batch actually comes from purity threads

Lab Receipts ×6 Slow Clap ×1 Cold Box ×2

Slightly embarrassed to be asking this, but: how much of what we believe about batch actually comes from purity threads.

Spent four months confusing area% and mass% in every post I made here. One explainer thread and it clicked permanently.

Water content 3.8%, acetate 6.2%, purity 99%, net peptide about 90% of label weight. All four numbers honest, and I had to read it twice.

The document I was worried about turned out to be a re-issue with a later creation date. Asked, got the original, entirely ordinary.

Not medical advice, obviously, and nothing here is approved for human use. One person with a spreadsheet.

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u/aleksi_eriksen1.6k points·1 year ago

Related substances itemised individually is a much stronger document than a single total, because it tells you the shape of the impurity profile rather than its size.

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u/yannick_haddad760 points·1 year ago

Area percent is the peak area of your compound over the total integrated area, at one wavelength, on one gradient. It is a relative measure of what the detector saw, not a mass fraction of the vial.

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u/low_appetite_lisaOP-21 points·1 year ago

ask for the storage condition the stability statement was written against

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u/hugo_bergstrom1.4k points·1 year ago

My first certificate had a compound name, a percentage and a logo. I thought that was normal. It is not, and now I know what to ask for.

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u/ahmed_rasmussen472 points·1 year ago

batch number, date of analysis, method, individual impurities — that is the minimum set

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u/rania_okonkwo283 points·1 year ago·edited

batch number, date of analysis, method, individual impurities — that is the minimum set

Agreed, and the practical version is: ask for the itemised table. If it exists, you get it.

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u/low_appetite_lisaOP219 points·1 year ago

the counterion is part of the mass you paid for

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u/alcohol_aversion1.6k points·1 year ago

The PDF creation date being later than the analysis date is usually a re-issue or a re-export. It is worth one question and it is not evidence of anything on its own.

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u/low_appetite_lisaOP600 points·1 year ago

Is water content on the document? It changes your concentration arithmetic.

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u/andres_restrepo134 points·1 year ago

Started keeping a folder of every certificate I have been sent. The ones that itemise impurities are a small group and they are mostly the same suppliers.

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u/coa_collectorarchivist482 points·1 year ago

axis labels included, always

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u/teodor_jansen1k points·1 year ago

Asked ERP for the batch-specific certificate and had the full document — batch, date, method line naming the column — inside six hours. That is now my baseline for everybody.

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u/nikhil_lindqvist638 points·1 year ago

chromatogram or it did not happen

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u/reflux_report317 points·1 year ago

Area percent or net peptide content? They answer different questions.

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u/first_hundredMOD351 points·1 year ago

Reminder: a question about a document is not an accusation about a supplier, and posts that blur the two get retitled.

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u/nikhil_lindqvist136 points·1 year ago

the lot on the vial has to match the lot on the page

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u/laila_yilmaz338 points·1 year ago

Net peptide content is the fraction of the powder that is actually peptide once counterion, water and residual solvent are accounted for. A 99% pure acetate salt can still be about 85% peptide by mass.

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u/janek_ferrari186 points·1 year ago·edited

Did you ask for the batch-specific document, or is this the catalogue one?

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u/reflux_report219 points·1 year ago

Correcting myself upthread: I said the date was missing and it is on the second page, which I had not scrolled to.

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u/vito_chowdhury274 points·1 year ago

UV at 214nm sees the peptide bond and picks up almost everything; at 280nm you are looking at aromatics only. Which wavelength the number came from is part of the number.

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u/receptor_bias_rick164 points·1 year ago

Disagree that a lower number is automatically worse. A conservative claim that survives testing is worth more than an optimistic one that does not.

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