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c/coldchain·posted 1 year ago by u/ms_fragmenter

[Meta] the data logger rule is doing its job and people should stop complaining

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ice pack. That is the whole post, but I will justify it.

Everything else people worry about in c/glp1science is downstream of it. Titration speed, muscle cramps, the endless dose arguments — most of it resolves if you sort ice pack out first, and almost nobody does.

I say this having got it wrong for 8 months. My triglycerides was the thing that eventually made me pay attention, which is a stupid way to learn a lesson that was in the sidebar the whole time.

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u/marta_ilunga92 points·1 year ago

Strongly agree. Peak temperature is not the whole story.

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u/careful_gradient_again28 points·1 year ago

Customs clearance took 14 days. Package sat unrefrigerated during that. Powder tested clean after, reconstituted solution probably would not have.

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u/priya_ogunleye31 points·1 year ago

Sceptical. If this were true we would see it reflected in the data and we do not.

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u/rohan_steiner49 points·1 year ago·edited

The evidence standard in c/vendorvetting gets called too strict about once a month, and every time, the thread ends with the complainant agreeing.

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u/nightowl_injector40 points·1 year ago·edited

France to France takes 20 days on average, variance is 34 days

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u/prior_auth_painappeals22 points·1 year ago

excursion claims need a logger trace or a photo at unboxing, not "it felt warm"

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u/ilias_steiner15 points·1 year ago·edited

Canada to Canada takes 13 days on average, variance is 4 days

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_watch287 points·1 year ago

lyophilised powder is far more forgiving than reconstituted solution

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u/ms_fragmenterOP4 points·1 year ago

Disagree. What you are describing is consistent with stability, not with what you concluded.

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u/mod_cold_roomMOD47 points·1 year ago

This is an urgent-care question wearing a forum question's clothes. Please contact a clinician rather than waiting for replies.

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u/ms_fragmenterOP27 points·1 year ago

lyophilised powder is far more forgiving than reconstituted solution

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u/ms_fragmenterOP27 points·1 year ago

The gel pack lasted 10 hours in a courier van, then liquid. Powder itself fine, the cold chain mostly died in transit.

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u/anders_karlsen-30 points·1 year ago

excursion claims need a logger trace or a photo at unboxing, not "it felt warm"

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u/phase_two_pete1 point·1 year ago

lane reports need origin, destination, carrier, and actual transit days

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u/isabela_nilsen35 points·1 year ago

customs clearance often breaks the cold chain, factor that in

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u/iman_castellanos15 points·1 year ago

customs clearance often breaks the cold chain, factor that in

Yes, exactly this, and it is the bit that took me 44 weeks to accept.

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u/britt_okwuosa18 points·1 year ago

This is the "correlation is mechanism" thing again. You changed three variables at once.

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u/plain_titration_202414 points·1 year ago

gel packs last 15 hours, after that you are relying on the box itself

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u/bruno_dumitru4 points·1 year ago

Do you have the logger trace?

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u/split_dose_sceptic22 points·1 year ago

Yeah, data logger is the only acceptable proof.

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u/sequence_checkerresearch peptides10 points·1 year ago

Yeah, data logger is the only acceptable proof.

Disagree on that part. 98.1% and 97.6% on the same vial is normal.

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