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copay is the most under-discussed thing in c/labresults

Win Clean Column ×1 Slow Clap ×3 Receipts ×2

Week 8 update. 4kg down from the start, muscle cramps basically gone since about week 48.

Things that worked: consistency, protein at breakfast, walking more than I want to. Things that did not: everything I bought on the internet to help with muscle cramps.

The part that surprised me is how much of this is admin. Ordering, storing, logging, remembering. Nobody mentions that the hard bit is not the drug, it is the routine.

Happy to answer anything. Please do not ask me what dose you should be on.

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u/marta_vanhecke-6 points·1 year ago

Half-life is about 168 hours, so steady state lands around week 10–5. Practical consequence: what you feel in week 1 is not what that dose does.

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u/marisol_moreau0 points·1 year ago
n=1 but same
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u/prior_auth_painappeals326 points·1 year ago

The practical rule people converge on is 28 days at fridge temperature after first puncture, and that comes from the preservative, not the peptide.

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u/appeal_letter_alMOD197 points·1 year ago

Retitled to remove editorialising. Put the evidence in the body.

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u/ismael_nwosu149 points·1 year ago

This is correct. Appeal letters work.

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u/teodor_duarte46 points·1 year ago

step therapy documentation is the weapon, use it

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u/elin_varga22 points·1 year ago

This is correct. Appeal letters work.

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u/sock_puppet_spotterOP0 points·1 year ago

Yeah, the denial code matters, it tells you what to fight.

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u/sanne_novak242 points·1 year ago

say which country and which plan type

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u/blunt_coldbox_notes205 points·1 year ago
oh thank god it is not just me
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[deleted]90 points·1 year ago

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u/gustav_vermeulen159 points·1 year ago

redact member ids and group numbers from every screenshot

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u/plain_titration_202441 points·1 year ago

Disagree but this is the good kind of wrong — it is specific enough to be checked.

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u/elin_lindqvist38 points·1 year ago

formulary exclusions are negotiable sometimes

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u/bence_zielinski30 points·1 year ago·edited

Strongly agree. Step therapy is predictable if you have the criteria.

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u/honest_syringe190 points·1 year ago

external review is the appeal after insurance says no

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u/ignacio_vanhecke70 points·1 year ago

do not suggest misrepresenting a diagnosis, that is fraud

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u/plain_titration_202429 points·1 year ago

do not suggest misrepresenting a diagnosis, that is fraud

Yes, exactly this, and it is the bit that took me 54 weeks to accept.

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u/kasper_cabrera42 points·1 year ago

Strongly agree. Step therapy is predictable if you have the criteria.

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u/oskar_kaufmann56 points·1 year ago·edited

external review is the appeal after insurance says no

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u/amylin_amyamylin35 points·1 year ago

external review is the appeal after insurance says no

Yes, exactly this, and it is the bit that took me 53 weeks to accept.

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u/RetaAndRegret2105 points·1 year ago

Water content matters more than people think. If a vial is carrying residual moisture, your "10mg" is not 10mg of peptide.

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u/canada_coverage69 points·1 year ago

do not suggest misrepresenting a diagnosis, that is fraud

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u/ahmed_abubakar55 points·1 year ago

Yeah, the denial code matters, it tells you what to fight.

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u/sock_puppet_spotterOP21 points·1 year ago

step therapy documentation is the weapon, use it

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u/maren_ibarra33 points·1 year ago

do not suggest misrepresenting a diagnosis, that is fraud

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u/sock_puppet_spotterOP23 points·1 year ago

Poland plan: step therapy required 6 medications first. Did them all, got approval. The order matters.

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u/plain_titration_202458 points·1 year ago

Strongly agree. Step therapy is predictable if you have the criteria.

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u/maren_ibarra18 points·1 year ago

Copay was step therapy for the copay then another 2% of the total. Read the actual plan document.

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u/arne_amankwah11 points·1 year ago

Copay was step therapy for the copay then another 2% of the total.

Counter-anecdote: opposite result, same dose. Which mostly tells us the variance is huge.

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