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c/coldchain·posted 11 months ago by u/marta_ilunga

reading stability threads from 2024 and half of it aged badly

Data Receipts ×4 Clean Column ×2 Long Haul ×2

Genuinely asking, not being difficult.

Everyone in c/compounding repeats that stability is important. I believe it, but I have never seen anyone show why, and when I search I get 3 threads of people agreeing with each other.

Is there a paper? Is there a measurement? Or is this one of those things that is true because it has been repeated since 2023?

I am not trying to be the "source?" guy. I would just like a source.

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u/emeka_delgado303 points·11 months ago

Mechanistically the bit that matters is data logger. It explains most of the early profile and a decent chunk of the outcome.

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u/ms_fragmenter245 points·11 months ago

Customs clearance took 6 days. Package sat unrefrigerated during that. Powder tested clean after, reconstituted solution probably would not have.

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u/marta_ilungaOP120 points·11 months ago

lyophilised powder is far more forgiving than reconstituted solution

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u/sequence_checkerresearch peptides179 points·11 months ago

Peak temperature and how long at that temperature?

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u/andres_restrepo133 points·11 months ago

Crossposting this to c/tapering because the people who need it are not reading this community.

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u/bence_ibarra76 points·11 months ago

Crossposting this to c/tapering because the people who need it are not reading this community.

Adding to this: ice pack is doing more work than the comment implies.

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u/creatine_and_cardio21 points·11 months ago

Small correction: the trial was 22 weeks, not 8. Does not change your point but people will quote it.

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u/marta_ilungaOP11 points·11 months ago

Small correction: the trial was 22 weeks, not 8.

Disagree on that part. 98.7% and 98.9% on the same vial is normal.

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u/andres_restrepo0 points·11 months ago

customs clearance often breaks the cold chain, factor that in

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u/hamza_weiss34 points·11 months ago·edited

stability after excursion is not zero, it is dose-dependent

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u/transit_variance27 points·11 months ago

Disagree. What you are describing is consistent with lyophilised, not with what you concluded.

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u/amara_dziedzic10 points·11 months ago

Yeah, data logger is the only acceptable proof.

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u/tomas_lokken9 points·11 months ago

stability after excursion is not zero, it is dose-dependent

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u/ice_pack_auditcold chain77 points·11 months ago

This is correct. Dry powder is way more robust than liquid.

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u/transit_variance51 points·11 months ago

Reconstituted or dry powder?

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u/gustav_vermeulen41 points·11 months ago

Yeah, data logger is the only acceptable proof.

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u/chidi_yilmaz12 points·11 months ago

Disagree. What you are describing is consistent with lyophilised, not with what you concluded.

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u/marta_ilungaOP6 points·11 months ago

The gel pack lasted 5 hours in a courier van, then liquid. Powder itself fine, the cold chain mostly died in transit.

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u/osman_brandt1 point·11 months ago

excursion claims need a logger trace or a photo at unboxing, not "it felt warm"

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u/nightowl_injector37 points·11 months ago

This is correct.

Counter-anecdote: opposite result, same dose. Which mostly tells us the variance is huge.

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