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c/survodutide·submitted 3 days ago by u/liver_enzyme_liz

[Paper] survodutide MASH data is the most interesting hepatic readout in the class

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The phase 2 MASH results ( NEJM , 2024) are, to me, the most underdiscussed thing in this whole space. Biopsy-confirmed endpoints. Not an ALT screenshot, not imaging, actual histology. That is a much higher evidentiary bar than most of what gets argued about here, and the response rates were substantial. My own ALT…

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u/incretin_ivypharmacology231 points·2 days ago

Glucagon receptor co-agonism has a plausible hepatic mechanism, which is why this is a mechanistically satisfying result rather than a surprising one. Increased hepatic fat oxidation and energy expenditure are the usual explanation offered.

The thing I would flag: glucagon co-agonism also has its own safety considerations, and generalising tolerability from tirzepatide — where the second receptor is GIP, not glucagon — is a mistake this community makes constantly.

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u/liver_enzyme_lizOP143 points·2 days ago

agreed, and it is in the community rules for exactly that reason. two dual agonists, two completely different second receptors.

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u/heart_rate_bump118 points·2 days ago

and the HR signal on the glucagon-containing molecules is worth tracking properly rather than anecdotally. mine went up 7bpm on titration on a triple agonist and back down at maintenance.

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u/cardio_endpoint_c96 points·1 days ago

a resting HR increase of a few bpm is a consistent class finding and it has not translated into a cardiovascular harm signal in the outcome trials we have. those two facts sit together uncomfortably and both are true.

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u/forest_plot_fionastats78 points·1 days ago

which is a good example of why a surrogate moving in a worrying direction is not an outcome. SELECT is the reason we can say that with any confidence at all.

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