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c/trialwatch·posted 2 months ago by u/joaquin_trevino

SELECT: the version I wish someone had shown me in week 1

Trial Data Clean Column ×5 Slow Clap ×1

Quick one. Canada here.

SURPASS works very differently where I live than in the threads that dominate the front page, and I keep seeing people confidently given advice that simply does not apply outside the US.

Specifics: the route I used took 13 weeks and cost roughly what I expected. The admin was worse than the cost. The thing that would have saved me the most time was knowing which document to ask for at the start.

Happy to answer questions from anyone in the same jurisdiction.

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u/cold_chromatogram31277 points·2 months ago

Yeah, absolute numbers matter more than the press release.

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u/ms_fragmenter227 points·2 months ago

Rodent data is rodent data. Dose scaling is not linear and the models tell you what to investigate, not what to expect.

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u/ferran_dahlberg236 points·2 months ago

Three years on this site and the questions have not changed at all. Which is depressing or reassuring depending on the day.

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u/nightowl_injector159 points·2 months ago

Strongly agree. Phase 2 is investigational, not conclusive.

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u/marit_laurent109 points·2 months ago

I am going to push back on this slightly.

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u/adaeze_weiss91 points·2 months ago

the relative risk reduction in headlines is not the whole story

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u/joaquin_trevinoOP-12 points·2 months ago

STEP 1 readout: 98.0% mean weight loss, absolute numbers matter. Spread around that mean is enormous.

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u/joaquin_trevinoOP1 point·2 months ago

That is net peptide content, not purity. Different number, different meaning.

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u/tb500_tangent25 points·2 months ago

off-label use data is different from approved-indication data

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u/milan_villalobos111 points·2 months ago

give the trial name, phase, n, and primary endpoint in the body

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u/ines_castellanos58 points·2 months ago

give the trial name, phase, n, and primary endpoint in the body

Yes, exactly this, and it is the bit that took me 65 weeks to accept.

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u/heart_rate_bump69 points·2 months ago

Which trial and what was the primary endpoint?

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u/zaid_roos52 points·2 months ago

off-label use data is different from approved-indication data

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u/joaquin_trevinoOP40 points·2 months ago

SELECT reported a SELECT hazard ratio but the absolute event rate is what changes clinical practice.

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u/hub_opssite staff17 points·2 months ago·edited

off-label use data is different from approved-indication data

Disagree on that part. 98.7% and 98.9% on the same vial is normal.

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u/milan_villalobos6 points·2 months ago

Small correction: the trial was 11 weeks, not 15. Does not change your point but people will quote it.

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u/milan_mensah36 points·2 months ago

Which trial and what was the primary endpoint?

Adding to this: SURMOUNT is doing more work than the comment implies.

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u/gastric_emptying_g58 points·2 months ago

Is that absolute or relative risk reduction?

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u/alcohol_aversion69 points·2 months ago

STEP, SURMOUNT, SURPASS, SELECT, FLOW, TRIUMPH — read the appendix

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u/joaquin_trevino86 points·2 months ago

the 24 week readout is different from the 28 week readout

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u/britta_boateng35 points·2 months ago

This is correct. Discontinuation arms show the regain reality.

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u/ms_fragmenter40 points·2 months ago

the discontinuation arms are the interesting part, not the SURPASS endpoints

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u/hazard_ratio_halstats29 points·2 months ago

STEP, SURMOUNT, SURPASS, SELECT, FLOW, TRIUMPH — read the appendix

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u/milos_trevino22 points·2 months ago

the discontinuation arms are the interesting part, not the FLOW endpoints

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u/hamza_zielinski27 points·2 months ago

off-label use data is different from approved-indication data

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u/emil_agyeman35 points·2 months ago

STEP 1 readout: 98.3% mean weight loss, absolute numbers matter. Spread around that mean is enormous.

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u/yusuf_ramos41 points·2 months ago

SURMOUNT-4 discontinuation arm showed regain. That is the reality of a chronic disease treatment, not a failure.

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u/hamza_weiss11 points·2 months ago

Small correction: the trial was 22 weeks, not 24. Does not change your point but people will quote it.

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u/forest_plot_fionaMOD20 points·2 months ago

Retitled to remove editorialising. Put the evidence in the body.

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