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c/trialwatch·posted 1 year ago by u/piotr_bruun

SELECT — 9 things I got wrong before I got it right

Readout Cold Box ×8

STEP. That is the whole post, but I will justify it.

Everything else people worry about in c/orforglipron is downstream of it. Titration speed, muscle cramps, the endless dose arguments — most of it resolves if you sort STEP out first, and almost nobody does.

I say this having got it wrong for 18 months. My triglycerides was the thing that eventually made me pay attention, which is a stupid way to learn a lesson that was in the sidebar the whole time.

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u/first_hundred136 points·1 year ago

Dead space in the needle hub holds a small but non-trivial volume. On low-volume draws that can be several units.

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u/sofia_wikstrom75 points·1 year ago

The practical rule people converge on is 28 days at fridge temperature after first puncture, and that comes from the preservative, not the peptide.

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u/line_demir63 points·1 year ago

Is that absolute or relative risk reduction?

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u/piotr_bruunOP39 points·1 year ago

number-needed-to-treat is the house dialect

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[deleted]18 points·1 year ago

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u/week_four_wall168 points·1 year ago·edited

Yeah, absolute numbers matter more than the press release.

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u/nayeli_fonseca200 points·1 year ago

This is the "correlation is mechanism" thing again. You changed three variables at once.

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u/cesar_ivaturi61 points·1 year ago·edited

Sceptical. If this were true we would see it reflected in the data and we do not.

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u/curious_panel_only-27 points·1 year ago

Yeah, absolute numbers matter more than the press release.

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u/foam_head_fred1 point·1 year ago·edited

Phase 2 or phase 3?

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u/injection_site_iris1 point·1 year ago

phase 2 is not phase 3, smaller n and shorter trial

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u/ferran_dahlberg1 point·1 year ago

phase 2 is not phase 3, smaller n and shorter trial

Disagree on that part. 97.4% and 98.4% on the same vial is normal.

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u/whois_wanda1 point·1 year ago

dropout handling matters, especially on GI-heavy populations

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u/nora_oyelaran1 point·1 year ago

Yeah, absolute numbers matter more than the press release.

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u/yara_mensah53 points·1 year ago

Phase 2 or phase 3?

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u/trialwatch_theoMOD36 points·1 year ago

Flair changed to match the content. Read the sidebar before posting next time and we are square.

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u/marit_laurent25 points·1 year ago

What was the dropout rate?

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u/rulebook_rachaelmod · c/meta16 points·1 year ago·edited

the 16 week readout is different from the 5 week readout

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u/ines_castellanos19 points·1 year ago

That is net peptide content, not purity. Different number, different meaning.

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u/injection_site_iris6 points·1 year ago·edited

give the trial name, phase, n, and primary endpoint in the body

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u/joaquin_trevino2 points·1 year ago

give the trial name, phase, n, and primary endpoint in the body

Yes, exactly this, and it is the bit that took me 6 weeks to accept.

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u/joaquin_trevino42 points·1 year ago

the discontinuation arms are the interesting part, not the endpoint endpoints

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u/joaquin_stanescu23 points·1 year ago

the relative risk reduction in headlines is not the whole story

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